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Author:  Tim McKnight [ Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:38 pm ]
Post subject:  An alternative wood glue
I saw a thread where they were discussing a replacement for LMII’s yellow glue. I tried it early on and found it no better than TiteBond. I’ve never been a fan of TiteBond original wood glue either but that’s another topic.

My friend John Greven introduced me to a wood glue many years ago that was sold through a tool supply house. They discontinued that glue but through some digging, an employee shared the manufacturer which they sourced it from. That company is Spectrum Adhesives. I have been using it for at least 15 years with excellent results. It’s a white glue, that dries EXTREMELY hard on par with HHG, dries clear, is sandable, is reversible with heat and water, does NOT cold creep and best of all it has very good tack or grip and doesn’t slide around like TiteBond does. I believe the minimum order is 1 gallon, which costs about $20. The part number is CP-0101.

https://www.spectrumadhesives.com/
Author:  bcombs510 [ Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:52 pm ]
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Thanks for sharing that! It sounds similar to the Titebond invisible I’ve used for the last few instruments but better and at a fraction of a fraction of the cost!


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Author:  J De Rocher [ Thu Nov 21, 2024 11:14 pm ]
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I didn't find that part number on their website or a way to buy it. Do you need to contact the company directly to purchase it?

Brad - Glad to know I'm not alone in using the Titebond Translucent. I switched to it in 2017 after LMI changed their white glue to the yellow glue which I did not like at all.
Author:  bcombs510 [ Thu Nov 21, 2024 11:38 pm ]
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The site is weird. Here it is:

https://cpadhesives.com/products/cp-010 ... 0244905115


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Author:  meddlingfool [ Thu Nov 21, 2024 11:41 pm ]
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Thanks for the tip!
Author:  bcombs510 [ Thu Nov 21, 2024 11:46 pm ]
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TDS says 12 month shelf life so plan accordingly. At the price, nobody will be heartbroken about waste.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0502/ ... 1614628862


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Author:  Hesh [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:46 am ]
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Howdy Tim!! Great tip!
Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:43 am ]
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On its way. $14.00 of glue. $25.00 of shipping from just north east of Columbus , about 2 hours from me. $39.50 total.

I am paying $6.50 for 8 oz of Titebond translucent at the moment via Amazon. One gallon worth would be $104.00.

Will be interesting to see how much of a gallon I get through in 12 months. :)

Jay, I’m pretty sure your previous endorsement of the translucent is how I started using it. It’s actually a nice glue and Amazon has it here same day most times I’ve ordered it.

https://youtu.be/BGEAiUeiaKs?si=LrBauTu1423PKKWT

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Author:  Pat Foster [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:54 am ]
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Sounds like this glue, which I like a lot. It has all the properties of the glue Tim mentioned.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/supplies/adhesives/glue/45104-lee-valley-cabinetmakers-glue-2002-gf?item=62K0111
Author:  bobgramann [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:07 pm ]
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I ordered a gallon of the CP-0101 figuring I could give most of it away to anyone who asked. I got an email from them asking if I had intended to order it. They were having problems with the website and just today they got 3 separate orders for a gallon, unprecedented in their history. I sent them back an email explaining. My gallon is on its way.
Author:  bcombs510 [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:18 pm ]
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Ha! They thought they were under attack by glue ordering bots!! :D


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Author:  Tim McKnight [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:18 pm ]
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Sorry for not pointing it out earlier but I always call them to order. Keep the glue in a cool dark place and it will outlast its shelf life. Write the date on the jug when you receive it and after a year, smell the glue. If it smells sour then it’s over the hill for lutherie but still suitable for misc hobby uses. I use the old glue to glue shut cardboard boxes when I ship something. I’ve had the glue last 2+ years before souring.

BTW, I’ve used this glue on plastic bindings with excellent results. I rarely use plastic bindings but when I do, this stuff works well.

If a gallon is too much for you then share the glue with a buddy. Or if there is a local lutherie group which you belong to then share it with them. It’s an excellent furniture glue as well.

BTW, I glue side purflings to bindings before bending the bindings and this glue is not good for that application because it comes loose under the bender’s heat. I use TiteBond III for this application as it will withstand the heat in the bender.
Author:  bftobin [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:38 pm ]
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I've been using the Lee Valley 2002 glue for +35 years, and it does sound like the same thing except for the color when dry. A few years ago I found a piano supply place that sells the white version that dries pretty clear (translucent). Another nice attribute is that it doesn't soak into the wood, it stays on the surface. If you need to undo a joint, heat will do it very nicely, AND it's fast and easy to remove any residue with a sharp scraper.
I still use HHG with a pinch of aluminum sulfate and sometimes a drop of acetic acid, depending on the situation.

Brent
Author:  Glen H [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: An alternative wood glue
bobgramann wrote:
I ordered a gallon of the CP-0101 figuring I could give most of it away to anyone who asked. I got an email from them asking if I had intended to order it. They were having problems with the website and just today they got 3 separate orders for a gallon, unprecedented in their history. I sent them back an email explaining. My gallon is on its way.


lol I got the same. I replied back that word got out on OLF about their glue.
Author:  Darrel Friesen [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:15 pm ]
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I'm still labouring processing this moose hide but thinking about the advantages of which you guys speak! :)
Author:  doncaparker [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:29 pm ]
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As much as I like tinkering with new things, I'm pretty stubborn about using hide glue for most guitar glue ups and, well, I kinda overbought when LMI was shutting down:

Attachment:
Glue.jpg


There's more in another cabinet. :)
Author:  bftobin [ Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: An alternative wood glue
Darrel Friesen wrote:
I'm still labouring processing this moose hide but thinking about the advantages of which you guys speak! :)


Darrel, you can get the white/translucent glue from Bolduc Pianos in Quebec.They have a website. I also bought some really nice white spruce 1"X1.25"X 48". It's straight, dry and quarter-cut for about $20.00 CDN ( or $1.99 US i think, with the present exchange rate, lol). The white spruce is great for braces and you can't beat the price.

Brent
Author:  Colin North [ Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:26 am ]
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Thanks for the recommendation Tim.
Good to have you drop in.
Author:  meddlingfool [ Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:02 pm ]
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Brent,

Would you so kind as to measure the density of the white spruce rib stock?
Author:  bcombs510 [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:10 am ]
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Date code says D073024-2, so keep that in mind for timing.


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Author:  Tim McKnight [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 6:26 pm ]
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Yep, that’s it. Brad, Please let me know if you like it?
Author:  J De Rocher [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: An alternative wood glue
bcombs510 wrote:
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Date code says D073024-2, so keep that in mind for timing.


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I give up. Can you decode the code for me?
Author:  bcombs510 [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:32 pm ]
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I took it as D = Date, date is July 30th of this year and it’s the second bottle they filled that day. :D

Could be wrong though, I will check with them.


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Author:  bftobin [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: An alternative wood glue
meddlingfool wrote:
Brent,

Would you so kind as to measure the density of the white spruce rib stock?


Ed, i don't really measure density. I'm not much of a numbers guy. Maybe this will help: length=1350mmsX30mmsX33mms and the weight is 520grams.
I've had this one for about a year and the constant humidity is 40%-45%.
All I can tell you is it's a little heavier than the Engelman I have but not as heavy as the sitka or
red spruce.It's much like the European spruce or Lutz.
If you need anything else, drop me a line.

Brent
Author:  meddlingfool [ Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: An alternative wood glue
Thanks Brent!

FWIW, .389g/cm3. A little soft for my preference for brace stock. I like my brace stock dense like me…
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